Jay Rogers
Director:
Jay Rogers

Links Recent Posts

Archives

The Forerunner Weblog

Barack Obama - "Punished with a baby!"



This is an examination of Barack Obama’s infamous quote in which he said that if his daughters were to get pregnant by “mistake” that he didn’t want them “punished with a baby!” Obama thinks some babies are “punishments” for “mistakes.” What a contrast to Sarah Palin who accepted her daughter’s baby and her own Downes Syndrome baby with open loving arms.

Comments

Your comments are welcome!

Mr. Rogers,

You mischaracterize Sen. Obama's point, which was about his concern that his girls get pregnant as teenagers prior to marriage or contracting a STD, abortion was not a topic of discussion nor was it even implied. Here is the full context of his reply to a question:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803310013?f=s_search

I would argue that most rational parents would not want their unwed teenage daughters having sex as Obama clearly implied in his statement that you chose to not include in your quotemine. I would also argue that many rational parents would concede that if they did have sex, they'd prefer they not contract a STD or get pregnant from such an encounter. That was Obama's point. You may not agree with these positions, but I assume you would agree they are respectful, arguable positions for rational parents looking out for their child’s best interests to take.

By contrasting Obama’s incomplete statement with Gov. Palin's last pregnancy and using an audio clip that cuts off the full context, you strongly imply that Obama is referring to a personal desire of his that his teenage child have the right to abort her baby and his desire she do so (please note I did not use a “OR” operator, but instead an “AND” operator). That was certainly my understanding of your post prior to my doing some research at a factchecker site to discover the truth. You clearly mischaracterize his point in this specific clip, pretty disingenuous.

I call this bearing false witness. I also call it propaganda.

Certainly Obama's use of the word, "punish" was a poor choice of words. Given it was a verbal response used once, I forgive him just like I would politicians who I oppose who are caught misspeaking (e.g, Sen. McCain’s statement about not meeting with Spain being one of many). If I were to expect perfect standards from all politicos, than McCain, President Bush 43 or Palin would go down in flames relative to their opponents and if we expected perfection on every ad hoc statement they make. This is a standard I do not set on obvious one-time verbal miscues though I have extremely high standards for honesty; in fact I counted Palin lying or making a false assertion forty-two times in her debate with Sen. Biden to his six. Post debate I discovered that others found three Palin lies I missed.

If Obama were to use this phrase continuously in his verbal talking points or use it from written text; that would be a matter of concern. But it wasn't, it was an ad hoc statement whose central point was benign and reasonable, i.e., he doesn’t want his kids having sex, or contracting an STD or getting pregnant if they did.

Gov. Palin has been recorded lying aprox. 16 times, this number has been validated by the legitimate media, please see Andrew Sullivan’s blog given that he is keeping track. My lie count in the debate remains unvalidated by the press though I’m comfortable defending my findings. Many of these lies have been continually repeated even after being fisked. Her latest lie was in her debate in which she claimed that she led and supported Alaska disinvestment in Sudan assets when in fact she was the primary power who opposed and killed the proposal for disinvestment (that was one of the lies I missed in my count). I don't see any blogs on your post about the lack of honesty for Gov. Palin, not a concern I assume? Bearing false witness is A-OK if your promoting a social conservative; is that how it works? And yes, I know, you’re voting for the “Constitution” Party candidate. However it’s pretty obvious you promote an Obama loss and a McCain/Palin victory, even if they need help by lying for them.

Posted by  Michael Heath on 04/10/2008 09:06 PM #

Textile Help

Amazing GraceAmazing Grace: The History and Theology of Calvinism (DVD)

Download the Free Study Guide!

Just what is Calvinism?

Does this teaching make man a deterministic robot and God the author of sin? What about free will? If the church accepts Calvinism, won’t evangelism be stifled, perhaps even extinguished? How can we balance God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility? What are the differences between historic Calvinism and hyper-Calvinism? Why did men like Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon, Whitefield, Edwards and a host of renowned Protestant evangelists embrace the teaching of predestination and election and deny free will theology?

This is the first video documentary that answers these and other related questions. Hosted by Eric Holmberg, this fascinating three-part, four-hour presentation is detailed enough so as to not gloss over the controversy. At the same time, it is broken up into ten “Sunday-school-sized” sections to make the rich content manageable and accessible for the average viewer.

Running Time: 257 minutes

$19.95 — ORDER NOW!

(We accept all major credit cards and PayPal.)

Click here for more information


God's Law and SocietyGod's Law and Society (DVD)

Download the Free Study Guide!

God’s Law and Society powerfully presents a comprehensive worldview based upon the ethical system found in the Law of God.

Speakers include: R.J. Rushdoony, George Grant, Howard Phillips, R.C. Sproul Jr., Ken Gentry, Gary DeMar, Jay Grimstead, Steven Schlissel, Andrew Sandlin, Eric Holmberg, and more!

Sixteen Christian leaders and scholars answer some of the most common questions and misconceptions related to this volatile issue:

1. Are we under Law or under Grace?
2. Does the Old Testament Law apply today?
3. Can we legislate morality?
4. What are the biblical foundations of government?
5. Was America founded as a Christian nation?
6. What about the separation of Church and State?
7. Is neutrality a myth?
8. What about non-Christians and the Law of God?
9. Would there be “freedom” in a Christian republic?
10. What would a “Christian America” look like?

Perfect for group instruction as well as personal Bible study.

Ten parts, over four hours of instruction!

Running Time: 240 minutes

Watch over 60 on-line video interviews from God’s Law and Society.

$19.95 — ORDER NOW!

(We accept all major credit cards and PayPal.)

Click here for more information


Abortion Clinic 911 Calls (DVD)

Exposes the Dangers of Abortion to Women!

These shocking eyewitness accounts expose the dangers of abortion not only to unborn children, but to the health and lives women as well. An antidote to the smokescreens of the liberal media, these short clips show what really happens in and around abortion clinics.

Although the content is emotionally gut-wrenching, these videos have been used in church seminars and small groups to educate Christians on the abortion issue and to lead people toward a pro-life position. Contains 2 hours and 40 minutes of materials that can be shown separately.

Watch these pro-life videos on-line.

“These videos helped change my mind from pro-choice to pro-life. Your videos are what did it for me. I will be walking in next year’s March For Life in San Francisco.” — A. Jackson, California

“I was going to have an abortion until I saw your video. Praise Jesus!”
— M. Drew, YouTube Commenter

$4.95 — ORDER NOW!

(We accept all major credit cards and PayPal.)

Click here for more information


A Revival Account: Asbury 1970 (DVD)

What is true Revival and Spiritual Awakening?

Discover the answer in this eyewitness account by Dennis Kinlaw, President of Asbury College, Wilmore, Kentucky, who recounts the story of a visitation of the Holy Spirit in 1970. This is the presentation that has continued to spark the flames of Revival in the hearts of people around the world. Contains eyewitness footage from the Revival at Asbury College in 1970 in Wilmore, Kentucky.

Certain to challenge you to greater holiness and a deeper commitment to full-scale revival. Original news and private footage has been included. If you are a student who longs to see a spiritual awakening at your school, you must see this video!

“This simple video does a wonderful job of conveying something of God’s heart and power, Everyone we have ever shown this to has received an immediate impartation of faith for revival and the power of prayer.”
— Bob and Rose Weiner, Weiner Ministries Int’l

Running Time: 40 minutes

$19.95 — ORDER NOW!

(We accept all major credit cards and PayPal.)

Click here for more information


Massacre of Innocence (DVD)

Exposing The Occult Roots of Abortion

This presentation looks at the spiritual roots of abortion and exposes the myths surrounding child killing. Little known historical facts about abortion and how they relate to modern feminism are presented logically and accurately. Has been effective in converting many to a pro-life position.

Massacre of Innocence goes where no pro-life presentation has gone before in “tearing the lid off abortion” to reveal the spiritual realities we must battle if we will bring an end to this crime. The presentation is absorbing, fast-paced, informative and incredibly devastating to any attempt to justify abortion.

“… an extraordinary statement … a powerfully articulate presentation about what abortion really means, and why a great and moral nation like the United States must not allow the slaughter to continue.”
— Congressman Robert K. Dornan

Running time: 85 minutes

$19.95 — ORDER NOW!

(We accept all major credit cards and PayPal.)

Click here for more information

Share |

Search this site:
View CCNow Cart/Checkout
View CCNow Cart/Checkout

RSS
Subscribe to
The Forerunner

Have The Forerunner Weblog sent straight to your inbox!

Enter your email address:

YouTube
The Forerunner Channel on YouTube


Promote Your Page Too

Featured Product
If you like the articles on this website, you may also be interested in:

Featured Articles

Live Seminar!

Real Jesus
The Abortion Matrix DVD: Update

The Abortion Matrix:
Defeating Child Sacrifice and the Culture of Death

is a 195-minute presentation that traces the biblical roots of child sacrifice and then delves into the social, political and cultural fall-out that this sin against God has produced. You can order this series on DVD, read the complete script and view clips on-line...
continued ...


View My Stats